09 Mar

Trailor-jetter-supermen!!!!!!

Posted by mike under enart.hubeidaxue.com

  • Hello!!!!!....i want ALL the guys who use trailor-jetters to give me their BEST MARKETING TIP to keep the jetter busy.....i just spent $20,000 for this machine and i am using it about 3 times a week($1,200-$1,500 a week). i want to use it every day if possible!!!!.....what are the best ways to keep it busy so i can get rich QUICK!!!!!....lol.....i want to make at least $5,000 a week like most jetting guys do!!!!...help me fellas!!


    Tony.


  • Zeljka,

    No I still use the K-60 on occassion for pushing a sonde where my camera won't go. However, I use it few and far enough between that Robert is welcome to give it a test ride for an extended period of time if he would like. The same goes for my K-50, K-1500 or my K-500.

    Mark


  • Hello!!!!!....i want ALL the guys who use trailor-jetters to give me their BEST MARKETING TIP to keep the jetter busy.....i just spent $20,000 for this machine and i am using it about 3 times a week($1,200-$1,500 a week). i want to use it every day if possible!!!!.....what are the best ways to keep it busy so i can get rich QUICK!!!!!....lol.....i want to make at least $5,000 a week like most jetting guys do!!!!...help me fellas!!


    Tony.

    Get rich or die trying??? kidding


  • I do agree you need a bigger jetter. Something no smaller than 4000psi and 20gpm should do. I also agree the spartan 300 is a great machine.
    i love that dam Spartan 300..i own three of them(one has never been used)...I use to have a worker run one but i had to fire his ***!!!....good worker but not a PEOPLE person...i guess hes gone back to being a HIT-MAN!!...lol.....no seriously!!!!.....he will go ANYWHERE in America.....crazy as hell......like i said i will by the U.S.Jettin4018 for my next jetter with the foot pedal control....i may even get a Truck-mounted Unit because this jetting thing has a BRIGHT future!!!(~:......i can SEE IT!!....i wonder why Ridgid doesnt make a small trailor jetter with a wireless remote and a run/dry pump....really that one that i have is good but i would love that wireless remote if it had one...imma add another wheel to both sides of mine...i wonder how much would that cost??


  • jetting contracts with service agreements and perfered pricing. low first time rates for first time customers who sign a yearly contract


  • ...and let me tell you guys something.....ive talked with Sylvan Tieger on the phone before(he probally doesnt remember it) and the guy is VERY knowledgeable on plumbing/business tactics. Why fault him on what he charges for his professional skills tactics. we should be griping at the handyman who calls himself a plumber and charging $50 for Hydrojetting a drain line(would the make you and your wife happy Rick?)...Sylvan is the type of guy who is making it easier to earn a good living doing this without having to break you r back from doing 10 calls a day...with his tactics you can do one or two calls a day and make the same money!!!...this is a Profession not some charity drain service. Sylvan allready told you he once had 16-18 guys working for him and now i think he has just himself and i think a helper and hes making just as much money because the overhead is low now. Dont get me wrong, i have a good friend who does just the oppisite as Sylvan in California named Lane Post(Pacific Drain Service)...his company makes over a couple mill a year but they are a low-cost high-volume drain company and he is very successful with it...but for his hydrojetting i think he charges like $300 so he is in the ballpark for that service.Lane has helped me out alot also with his knowledge and wisdom...never negative....So there are many ways to do it but i'd rather charge on the median of $400-500 here and not kill myself because its just me and my helper and thats all i want to hire..if i really wanted a big-comopany i'd go purchase a franchise Plumb company but i love my free time to do other things besides work.....So before you fault Sylvan,talk to him..and i bet you will learn some things that you didnt know..i dont care if you been plumbing for 32 years or 52 years!!!!...ive been doing it 'officially' for 5 years and i BET my bank account is larger than most..But i am ALLWAYS willing to learn from others.....i guess thats what seperates me from most negative tradesmen.
    If you like tieger, follow his advice and you will go far, hopefully the sooner the better.


  • Woussko,

    We NEVER tell lies!!!....if your beady blue eyes cant see what i see on the CAMERA then you need glasses!!...thats why we include a FREE Camera Inspection with every Jet or Cable call!!!!....Customer feels GREAt and thats is my BEST form of advertising..."WORD-OF MOUTH!!"...thats how i have all the custermer contracts that i have now...with NO advertising....BUT, im about to start advertising.


  • anytime you think you can outsmart me, we'll put your big money on it. sort of like pink slips. i guarantee you taking on this bet, i'll bankrupt you.

    as far as fake snakes. you might want to find another board as ridgid makes the snakes i use.

    as far as pipe bursting. i was one of the first plumbers to purchase a trenchless machine. infact the serial # is one of the first 20.

    5 years makes you an apprentice in my eyes and the unions eyes.

    maybe you'll open your eyes 1 day and see there's more to plumbing than seeing how much you can charge a desperate homeowner.

    rick.
    lol......getting sensitive huh????...pink slips??...WELL PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!!!...you will NEVER be smarter than me....lets bet our College Degrees(oh do you have one?from where?i bet my Bachelor of Science degree that you dont!!!...haha)...Snakes?...i was talking about the ugly snake on your Ugly forehead!!...lol..I OWN RIDGID EQUIPMENT ALSO DUMBO!!..I dont believe you about the pipebursting equip and i said i have been OFFICIALLY owning a Drain business for 5 YEARS!!...i didnt say EXPERIENCE 5 YEARS DUMBO....i have over 20 years experience!!!!....My prices are allways fair for residential thats my BREAD AND BUTTER!!....Comercially i charge a little under the going rate....my residential prices are alot lower but i do many calls a day..RESIDENTIALLY!!!...please next time READ...THINK..and then REPLY...so SOMEBODY on here will believe that you have at least generated an OUNCE of knowledge with all of the bootleg experience you have.......thank you and have a nice day.


  • Greg,
    What psi is your trailor jetter?....will the Warthog nozzle work good on 2500 psi at 12 gpm?...i know my other jetter buddy who owns a business in Atlanta swears by it...he uses the nozzle on every jetting job!!...how on earth could you have been a strickly spartan user and not LOVE the 300. I can unstop ANY residential stoppage with it as long as the line aint broke!!!!....litterally!!!...when i said "think-big" i mean like instead of doing $4000 in a week...try $4000 in a day!!!!...i KNOW jetting guys who have done it(i know cause i was in the truck with them)...i now charge $500 for jetting which includes a Free Camera Inspection...so $500x's8 is $4000!!!!!!....sorry for thinking TOO-BIG!!!!..lol...actually im such a good salesman that if i was charging/eaning $400 jetting calls mulltiplied by eight i would probally earn not $3,200 but $32,000 from selling line-replacements/repair.."THINK BIG RICK!!!!"...LOL....i talk with the L.A.Hydrojet guy personally and i KNOW they jet alot.....beware of the playa-haters!!


    My trailor is 3000 psi. The Warthog i have works great at 3000psi, i love it, nothing better in the industry to cut tree roots IMO. Not real sure on how it would work on 2500, because the warthog spins by pressure. Couldnt stand the 300, just never had a liking to it.. I stuck mainly with the 81, 100, 1065 and 2001. I use to do $4000 day almost everyday...when i worked for one of the big boy companies...They charged 500 a jet...For me 500 is to high, but thats me, i sell it for 300, and still get alot of business for it. Does your buddy still charge that much if he cant get the drain open with the jetter???

    What kind of warranties are they offering at 500????


  • Greg,
    What no Spartan 300????...thats their best machine!!!!...what is the model trailer jetter you have from them....so you operate it by yourself?(one-man operational?)..eight times a week multiplied by $400 is $4,000 so you are not far off from $5,000 a week!!!!!....THINK BIG!!!!...I will be there one day...Whats so special about the RidgidK-60 or the WaterCannon portable jetter you have...im thinking about geting a small electric General-1450 for k/sink drains as an add-on sale after i cable their k/sink drains....HOLIDAYS COMING UP!!!!...I figure if i charge $99.95 to cable their line..i will sell them the elec-jetter for an additional $150.00 with a longer warranty(90 days)....what do yall think!!!!...

    Naaa no 300, cant stand that machine. Yes i operate by myself, i do have a part timer. not quite $4000, my usual charge for a jetter is 300, but sometimes extra if different accesses are needed. Ive been thinking big for the last 13yrs, thats why i have my own business now. Like Ben said, check around as to why the K60 is great, some good threads on it...for me personally i like how easy it is to take on roofs. I like that i can take into a crawl space and not have to take it apart like a drum machine. I was strictly Spartan and electric eel....The Water Cannon Jetter...nothing real special about it, but that its 4000psi at 5gm for a portable, thats pretty good, i can still use it to cut tree roots out of 4 in pipe...Its special to me because i can use it on 1 1/2 lines, floor drains, that sorta stuff. We do a thing called the root eliminator. Water Jet the lines with the warthog nozzle and the camera in the line. You can watch the warthog just destroy the roots with the camera while your jetting...Go from joint to joint. After that we install Root X, and bam, 1 YR Warranty.....Mostly all residential lines i do with a water jet will get a 6 month to a YR warranty, as long as no defects or breaks.. Greg


  • Hello!!!!!....i want ALL the guys who use trailor-jetters to give me their BEST MARKETING TIP to keep the jetter busy.....i just spent $20,000 for this machine and i am using it about 3 times a week($1,200-$1,500 a week). i want to use it every day if possible!!!!.....what are the best ways to keep it busy so i can get rich QUICK!!!!!....lol.....i want to make at least $5,000 a week like most jetting guys do!!!!...help me fellas!!


    Tony.


    Well your not going to get rich quick. Ive been jetting for over 10yrs...My jetters dont make 5grand a week... If you want to market it better, make sure you get a warthog nozzle, the best nozzle for cutting roots. Go to resturants, or Apt complexes and offer your jetting services. Explain why its better with a jetter :D:D

    Offer jetting contracts

    20,000..what kind of PSI is it putting out????
    GPM????
    What manufacturer???


  • Greg,
    What psi is your trailor jetter?....will the Warthog nozzle work good on 2500 psi at 12 gpm?...i know my other jetter buddy who owns a business in Atlanta swears by it...he uses the nozzle on every jetting job!!...how on earth could you have been a strickly spartan user and not LOVE the 300. I can unstop ANY residential stoppage with it as long as the line aint broke!!!!....litterally!!!...when i said "think-big" i mean like instead of doing $4000 in a week...try $4000 in a day!!!!...i KNOW jetting guys who have done it(i know cause i was in the truck with them)...i now charge $500 for jetting which includes a Free Camera Inspection...so $500x's8 is $4000!!!!!!....sorry for thinking TOO-BIG!!!!..lol...actually im such a good salesman that if i was charging/eaning $400 jetting calls mulltiplied by eight i would probally earn not $3,200 but $32,000 from selling line-replacements/repair.."THINK BIG RICK!!!!"...LOL....i talk with the L.A.Hydrojet guy personally and i KNOW they jet alot.....beware of the playa-haters!!


  • what kinda jetters you have DrainMedic???..what kinda money you making with them and your drain biz????...do you just do sewer and drain work or do you do everything????...my company only does sewer and drain,Camera and locate,water-leak detect,hydroJet,unstops residential lines with spartan Machines(300 and 100)....thinking about buying that Seasnake with the dvd player....maybe buy it at the trade show for a discount!!


  • We had four Jetters including a General Jet Set 3055. We looked at the General and Spartan trailer mount set ups but I felt it was too close to what we already had and the Harben or O'Brien trailer mount would be our next jetter.

    Mark


  • I would agree with rick, don't believe everything you read. On the other hand, I know a guy from La Hydro Jett, 90% of their buisness is jetting, I recommend all my customers to them because of their low rates. One of my new accounts, uses them and they come and jett a costco store on a schedule, at 9pm at night for $1200.00, plus warrenty their work and if they get a stoppage that I cannot clear with a cable, they come and handle it.


    La Hydro Jett is very well known, you need to get a name for yourself and offer up good first time deals, then make your money on the maint contracts, trust me, this is the way to do it. I helped grow a jetter service for another company, Cheap first time jet service, with the service contract, then price out your service contract to make money on the 2 to 6 returning calls.


  • Robert,

    thank you for your usefukl info. Sometimes you have to disregard people like Rick who keeps responding with negative comments so i wont be asking him nothing. Thank you too Greg for your useful knowledge..i thing the Warthog will go good with the 2500 psi jetter. Robert i talk to the owner of L.A. hydrojet on and off and i'm glad you are familar with him and his jetting business. Cant believe Rick says his company barely jets drains, but me AND you know that aint true.....he gave me some great-marketing advice!!!...i allways ask anybody how do they market their business...thats what SMART people do.....ask questions and LISTEN....then you come up with YOUR OWN PLAN!!!!...also Robert i am about to start a direct-mail marketing campaign to mail off about 2,000 postcards a month...if you or Greg wants me to mail you one let me know...maybe you can give me you expert opinions on what you would change....how many flyers did you mail a month Robert?....Greg, my friend gave 90-day warrantys with his jetting. he jets ALL the Chick-Flia's and ALL the Olive Gardens in Atlanta. He makes $4,000 and sometimes $5,000 in ONE day. He was featured in the Cleaner Mag last year. Hes on schedule to make about $450,000 this year working as a one-man shop. He does mostly restaurants and Apartments. The going rate for jetting there is $750...just like here in Dallas. every now and then i may charge $350 if its ONE cleanout, but i allways push for $500 with a free camera inspect...why not charge a little under the roto-rooters and rescue rooters.....Ben Franklin plumbing charges $850 for jetting and $550 for Camera Inspect and they are a fortune 500 company!!!..so like i said..sometimes i may charge $350 but i push for $500....Greg..what do you charge for your leak detection?..i just bought one along with my jetter and only used it 4 times so far...im charging $300 for it also, still again i know a company here (Accurate Leak and Line locate) who charges $500 to locate leaks and thats ALL they do!!...the owner tells me he does about 8-10 locates a day and he markets to other plumbers,insurance companys,warranty companys and foundation repair companies....and again thank-you for your time and USEFUL comments.

    Tony

    DiscountDrainService
    LonestarPipelineRepair
    Licensed,Bonded and Insured.


  • Mark,

    My next jetter will be the U.S jetting 4018 with the foot remote. It has a run-dry pump also. My atlanta jetting buddy has 2 of them and a water truck cause thats all he does. i was about to buy one, they even drove one out to my house and i was about to buy it for $22,000 cash(it was worth $30,000 at the time) but that was last year sometime. My friend said that the one i have now is all that i will need starting out, but the U.S.Jetter will be my next jetter(probally in two years)..the General Typhoon jetter was $15,600...but with all of the extra stuff i got with it it was just under $20,000...paid cash for it and im very happy with it!!!...its very mobile and you can pull it with your hand if you get into tight areas and all....now if you are doing drains in your area that have pipe sizes 8" and bigger then this may not be the jetter for you....most of the drain pipes that i jet are 4"-6"restaurants,apts,commercial bulidings,small warehouses......no municipalities.


    I do agree you need a bigger jetter. Something no smaller than 4000psi and 20gpm should do. I also agree the spartan 300 is a great machine.


  • i would love to see lonestars family and slyvans family get charged these rate that they are charging.

    it's amazing that a $300,000 combination vac. and jetter doesn't bill out for anywhere near the amount you 2 are charging for a $20,000. toy jetter.

    for what it's worth if you have so many friends in the business, why are you wasting your time here?

    let's not even talk experience, knowledge, equipment, reputation, and personal wealth.

    the more you discuss your trade tactics here, the more your reputation will be tarnished. please refer your future clients to this site for a look at the real lonestar.

    i'm sure once they see your m.o. they will be looking for a different drain guy.

    treat your customers like you would want your family and friends treated.

    the more you post, the more you bury yourself.

    where have you been hiding since dec. 2005?

    rick.
    where have i been?...MAKING BIG DOLLARS BUDDY!!!...like YOU said, dont believe EVERYTHING you read...i am very successful..just picking brains....but NOT YOURS!!!!.......Thank you for nothing.


  • Lonestar, if you are such a good salesman, why did you come here asking for advice on how to make money and increase your business?

    You have to decide-either your work and reputation are good enough that you can charge whatever amount you see fit and people will pay it without question or your work and reputation are just average.


  • like i said earlier Lane has SEVEN TRUCKS!!!....i am a ONE-MAN-BAND....lol.....what are you and Rick drinking??..SewerWatercocktails???....lane is the OWNER...his WORKERs WORK HARD........dam is this elementary??

    I'm not sure if you misread my post or what. I was simpling pointing out you used Lane as an example of a high volume low cost contractor where you want to be a high cost low volume contractor so you still have time for yourself. Did I miss something or mis-quote your explanation?

    Mark


  • Do some research on the forum for the k-60. You'll see it's quickly making converts to the sectional machines.


  • Greg,
    What psi is your trailor jetter?....will the Warthog nozzle work good on 2500 psi at 12 gpm?...i know my other jetter buddy who owns a business in Atlanta swears by it...he uses the nozzle on every jetting job!!...how on earth could you have been a strickly spartan user and not LOVE the 300. I can unstop ANY residential stoppage with it as long as the line aint broke!!!!....litterally!!!...when i said "think-big" i mean like instead of doing $4000 in a week...try $4000 in a day!!!!...i KNOW jetting guys who have done it(i know cause i was in the truck with them)...i now charge $500 for jetting which includes a Free Camera Inspection...so $500x's8 is $4000!!!!!!....sorry for thinking TOO-BIG!!!!..lol...actually im such a good salesman that if i was charging/eaning $400 jetting calls mulltiplied by eight i would probally earn not $3,200 but $32,000 from selling line-replacements/repair.."THINK BIG RICK!!!!"...LOL....i talk with the L.A.Hydrojet guy personally and i KNOW they jet alot.....beware of the playa-haters!!


    something tells me you went to school with slyvan:eek:

    being in plumbing for 32 years, i've learned to treat the customer right. bragging about how much you overcharge for a toy trailer jetter is not treating the customer right.

    probably why you're asking how to find customers, instead of customers finding you. i don't advertise and i don't need to.

    not sure what you're trying to prove, other than the same reason slyvan is not liked here.

    if you're going to rip off the customer, do it on a different forum. not here. join slyvans forum as he is just as proud as you are with overcharging the customers.

    rick.


  • Cheap first time jet service, with the service contract, then price out your service contract to make money on the 2 to 6 returning calls.

    robert, first time jetting of a dirty line that's never been jetted is always more involved and time consuming. follow up preventative jetting is typically faster and cleaner. you already know the system.

    i would be just the opposite. the first time is more, the follow up is less:rolleyes:

    i wouldn't come there to get my foot in the door. i was already invited there when they called me;)

    rick.


  • Lonestardrain needs to learn that customers do not like being told lies so they can be ripped off. The word gets out fast who are the good hard working people and who are just out the skrew over their customers. Act as you are and you'll become a very hated drain cleaner.


  • I'm speechless.


  • Mark,

    My next jetter will be the U.S jetting 4018 with the foot remote. It has a run-dry pump also. My atlanta jetting buddy has 2 of them and a water truck cause thats all he does. i was about to buy one, they even drove one out to my house and i was about to buy it for $22,000 cash(it was worth $30,000 at the time) but that was last year sometime. My friend said that the one i have now is all that i will need starting out, but the U.S.Jetter will be my next jetter(probally in two years)..the General Typhoon jetter was $15,600...but with all of the extra stuff i got with it it was just under $20,000...paid cash for it and im very happy with it!!!...its very mobile and you can pull it with your hand if you get into tight areas and all....now if you are doing drains in your area that have pipe sizes 8" and bigger then this may not be the jetter for you....most of the drain pipes that i jet are 4"-6"restaurants,apts,commercial bulidings,small warehouses......no municipalities.

    The US Jetting 4018 is a really nice machine as well. The reason we decided against the Spartan or the General trailer mount jetter is we saw them as wanna-be trailer mounted jetters. The performance difference between either of those and the portables did not justify the costs unless you needed a supply of water. Most of our jetting was 4" and smaller though. I have since sold my business and no longer need a jetter. As a matter of fact I have a never used KJ-3000 I am trying to figure out how to have Robert come pick up.

    For the record I believe the problem most have with Sylvan has more to do with his attitude than his message. Most of us have made a pretty good living for ourselves and our employees before we even heard of Sylvan and his $1,000 per hour rate.

    Mark


  • it is a Brand-New General2512TyphoonTrailorJetter...its 12gpm at 2500psi. Its originally$15,000 but with all of the bells and whistles its bout an extra $5,000....ive gotten great advice from Peter Morci on another board, but im trying to soak up all the knowledge i can....trying to find a "niche" with it!!!...it was a guy in the Cleaner Mag last year who works by himself and made $350,000 in one year and all he does is Hydro-jet!!!....another guy in NewYork(GangBusters)w2ho was in Cleaner who works by himself made $400,000 and he actully helped General build/design the jetter i have...he has 3 of them!!!!...so i know it can be done..even the guy who owns L.A.Hydrojet in LosAngeles has about 5 trucks who jet lines only,made in the millions!!!..i even got advice from him!!!!...Yall will be reading about me soon!!!......take care.


    Tony


  • Lone star,

    Where is do you know lane from?
    i met lane in 2002 in while visiting San Dieago...saw one of his drain trucks and he was in it. Lane is VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND TAUGHT ME ALOT!!!...on his advice i started a second company just for repair work and i incorporated that company(LonestarDrainL.L.C.)...Discount Drain is a sister company to Lonestar.......Lane and i use to raise hell on the old SewerConnection board...i use to and still use some of the business tactics that LANE does....imma fly down there in Jan so he can show me everything about pipebursting and liners...have you seen his new mansion house!!!..anyway he is a good guy to know...his repair company is ArrowPipelineRepair..he does market to other Plumbers,Drainguys,handyman and gen contractors....which is VERY smart....if he was in Dallas i wouldve subbed out alot of work to him cause i do get real busy at times....hes a REAL CALIFORNIA contractor....unlike Rick who plays with fake snakes..lol..


  • Greg,
    What no Spartan 300????...thats their best machine!!!!...what is the model trailer jetter you have from them....so you operate it by yourself?(one-man operational?)..eight times a week multiplied by $400 is $4,000 so you are not far off from $5,000 a week!!!!!....THINK BIG!!!!...I will be there one day...Whats so special about the RidgidK-60 or the WaterCannon portable jetter you have...im thinking about geting a small electric General-1450 for k/sink drains as an add-on sale after i cable their k/sink drains....HOLIDAYS COMING UP!!!!...I figure if i charge $99.95 to cable their line..i will sell them the elec-jetter for an additional $150.00 with a longer warranty(90 days)....what do yall think!!!!...


  • Robert,

    What exactly did you do to "build" the other companys jetter business? What do they charge. The name of my company is DiscountDrain which is well known in the residential drain market.I plan on doing a postcard marketing campaign to generate commercial/industrial customers...looking to get alot of restaurants and apartments on maintence contracts.


  • Dog will hate me for this ;) but in the spirit of my thread I wrote yesterday I think we need to move on.

    Josh


  • pipe bursting.
    rick.

    Rick, does the pipe bursting head more closely follow the line of the pull cable or the pipe?


  • something tells me you went to school with slyvan:eek:

    being in plumbing for 32 years, i've learned to treat the customer right. bragging about how much you overcharge for a toy trailer jetter is not treating the customer right.

    probably why you're asking how to find customers, instead of customers finding you. i don't advertise and i don't need to.

    not sure what you're trying to prove, other than the same reason slyvan is not liked here.

    if you're going to rip off the customer, do it on a different forum. not here. join slyvans forum as he is just as proud as you are with overcharging the customers.

    rick.
    ...and let me tell you guys something.....ive talked with Sylvan Tieger on the phone before(he probally doesnt remember it) and the guy is VERY knowledgeable on plumbing/business tactics. Why fault him on what he charges for his professional skills tactics. we should be griping at the handyman who calls himself a plumber and charging $50 for Hydrojetting a drain line(would the make you and your wife happy Rick?)...Sylvan is the type of guy who is making it easier to earn a good living doing this without having to break you r back from doing 10 calls a day...with his tactics you can do one or two calls a day and make the same money!!!...this is a Profession not some charity drain service. Sylvan allready told you he once had 16-18 guys working for him and now i think he has just himself and i think a helper and hes making just as much money because the overhead is low now. Dont get me wrong, i have a good friend who does just the oppisite as Sylvan in California named Lane Post(Pacific Drain Service)...his company makes over a couple mill a year but they are a low-cost high-volume drain company and he is very successful with it...but for his hydrojetting i think he charges like $300 so he is in the ballpark for that service.Lane has helped me out alot also with his knowledge and wisdom...never negative....So there are many ways to do it but i'd rather charge on the median of $400-500 here and not kill myself because its just me and my helper and thats all i want to hire..if i really wanted a big-comopany i'd go purchase a franchise Plumb company but i love my free time to do other things besides work.....So before you fault Sylvan,talk to him..and i bet you will learn some things that you didnt know..i dont care if you been plumbing for 32 years or 52 years!!!!...ive been doing it 'officially' for 5 years and i BET my bank account is larger than most..But i am ALLWAYS willing to learn from others.....i guess thats what seperates me from most negative tradesmen.


  • Lone star,

    Where is do you know lane from?


  • robert, first time jetting of a dirty line that's never been jetted is always more involved and time consuming. follow up preventative jetting is typically faster and cleaner. you already know the system.

    i would be just the opposite. the first time is more, the follow up is less:rolleyes:

    i wouldn't come there to get my foot in the door. i was already invited there when they called me;)

    rick.
    hummmmmmm your wife was right, we do think kinda in the same lines ;)
    Couldnt have said it better myself ;)


  • what kinda jetters you have DrainMedic???..what kinda money you making with them and your drain biz????...do you just do sewer and drain work or do you do everything????...my company only does sewer and drain,Camera and locate,water-leak detect,hydroJet,unstops residential lines with spartan Machines(300 and 100)....thinking about buying that Seasnake with the dvd player....maybe buy it at the trade show for a discount!!

    I have a trailer and a portable jetter...Spartan trailer, and Water Cannon portable. Jets around here go for anywhere btwn $300-$500. Im strictly all Sewer and drain cleaning. Cable, Jetting, Video, Locating, Sewer Odor elminination, Tree root elimination, leak location/detection. I charge in the range of the $300-$400 for a jet depending on where it is being done, ex. roof, basement, crawl space etc. I to use the Spartans, i have the 2001, 100, 81, and also a Ridgid K60, which is quickly turning into my fav. machine.Trade show is a good idea for buying equip, at the discounted rates. I will be buying alot there this year. usually will do anywhere btwn 5 to 8 jets a week, not including commercial preventive maint. accounts.I am residential and commercial as well Greg


  • HAHAHA All Clear. . .Of course I was right. The wives are ALWAYS right;):D:D:D:D:D:D:D


  • Greg,
    What no Spartan 300????...thats their best machine!!!!...what is the model trailer jetter you have from them....so you operate it by yourself?(one-man operational?)..eight times a week multiplied by $400 is $4,000 so you are not far off from $5,000 a week!!!!!....THINK BIG!!!!...I will be there one day...Whats so special about the RidgidK-60 or the WaterCannon portable jetter you have...im thinking about geting a small electric General-1450 for k/sink drains as an add-on sale after i cable their k/sink drains....HOLIDAYS COMING UP!!!!...I figure if i charge $99.95 to cable their line..i will sell them the elec-jetter for an additional $150.00 with a longer warranty(90 days)....what do yall think!!!!...

    now i see that it's a math issue. 8 x $400.00 = $3,200.00

    the 1450 jetter is too small. it's 1500 psi @1.7 gpm. all you'll do is a song and a dance. save the hassels and clean it right with the cable and a better / bigger jetter.

    also buy a calculator so that you don't go broke in the process:D

    rick.


  • Rick, does the pipe bursting head more closely follow the line of the pull cable or the pipe?

    it follows the pipe until you hit a 45. then it makes a long turn 45. it breaks out the original fitting and takes a short cut. it's a very smooth transition that if you didn't know where it was located, you wouldn't see it with a camera.

    rick.


  • i would love to see lonestars family and slyvans family get charged these rate that they are charging.

    it's amazing that a $300,000 combination vac. and jetter doesn't bill out for anywhere near the amount you 2 are charging for a $20,000. toy jetter.

    for what it's worth if you have so many friends in the business, why are you wasting your time here?

    let's not even talk experience, knowledge, equipment, reputation, and personal wealth.

    the more you discuss your trade tactics here, the more your reputation will be tarnished. please refer your future clients to this site for a look at the real lonestar.

    i'm sure once they see your m.o. they will be looking for a different drain guy.

    treat your customers like you would want your family and friends treated.

    the more you post, the more you bury yourself.

    where have you been hiding since dec. 2005?

    rick.


  • [quote=lonestardrain;93340]it is a Brand-New General2512TyphoonTrailorJetter...its 12gpm at 2500psi. Its originally$15,000 but with all of the bells and whistles its bout an extra $5,000....ive gotten great advice from Peter Morci on another board, but im trying to soak up all the knowledge i can....trying to find a "niche" with it!!!...it was a guy in the Cleaner Mag last year who works by himself and made $350,000 in one year and all he does is Hydro-jet!!!....another guy in NewYork(GangBusters)w2ho was in Cleaner who works by himself made $400,000 and he actully helped General build/design the jetter i have...he has 3 of them!!!!...so i know it can be done..even the guy who owns L.A.Hydrojet in LosAngeles has about 5 trucks who jet lines only,made in the millions!!!..i even got advice from him!!!!...Yall will be reading about me soon!!!......take care.

    don't believe everything you read or everything they tell you.:rolleyes:

    la hydrojet is a company that i see on a regular basis. believe it or not jetting is something that is not their priority. i rarely see them pulling a jetter.

    the typhoon is a mid sized trailer. i too looked at it when it came out 3 years ago. but i purchased my jetter prior to generals design. havn't priced it lately, but 20k is a lot more than i remember them selling for. i remember 12k.

    with my trailer i charge $180. an hour. not going to get rich with it as i only use it as needed. also the warthog nozzle is the best nozzle as greg has mentioned. add another 1k to your cost.

    my jetter has a 1/2'' x 400' variable speed reel, a 3/8'' x 250' manual reel, a 50' spring loaded reel and a 150' fill reel. not to mention a 300 gallon tank and a custom made wireless remote high pressure valve. this allows me to operate the machine from 200'+ away by myself.

    don't price yourself out of sight.

    rick.


  • Actually that is an interesting point Rick. The majority of Lane Post's work is as a sub-contractor to other plumbers and for municipalities. However, I recall Lonestart did not want to work as hard as Lane's guys do but wanted to make as much money.

    Mark


  • Actually that is an interesting point Rick. The majority of Lane Post's work is as a sub-contractor to other plumbers and for municipalities. However, I recall Lonestart did not want to work as hard as Lane's guys do but wanted to make as much money.

    Mark
    like i said earlier Lane has SEVEN TRUCKS!!!....i am a ONE-MAN-BAND....lol.....what are you and Rick drinking??..SewerWatercocktails???....lane is the OWNER...his WORKERs WORK HARD........dam is this elementary??


  • robert, first time jetting of a dirty line that's never been jetted is always more involved and time consuming. follow up preventative jetting is typically faster and cleaner. you already know the system.

    i would be just the opposite. the first time is more, the follow up is less:rolleyes:

    i wouldn't come there to get my foot in the door. i was already invited there when they called me;)

    rick.

    Hey guy's, this thread kinda dropped out of my radar, sorry. I set up a program, mailed flyers to all the resturants and commercial buildings. Rick, your right, the first jetting sucks, you take it in the shorts to get in the door, I spent 5 hrs on a indian restaurant the first time, I charged them 195.00, as long as they signed the service contract, every three months for 350.00 a pop, went back, each time took 20 mins tops, one line, no problems. Mailed out flyers saying 195.00 first time, in little print, with signed yearly contract and set a max branch lines on there, if thge customer had mroe branches then I could do in 60 mins, there was an additional fee. It works really well, I was able to get another guy hired in a month and sent him off 30-40 hrs a week just jetting. We would get el pollo loco, and then his friend would own 4 others, believe it or not, the restaurant buisness is close net here, all the owners know eachother.

    Yeah, charging 195.00 the first time, we would lose money, but make it later on the return trips and also we would pic up plumbing work at these same places, so it pays off to go in cheap with service contracts.


    As far as rick, you being invited when the customer called you, I think the question was how to get new customers and break into the jetting market in his area, you have repeat customers already and referalls, you do not advertise for new customers (as you have said many times) this wouldn't apply to you buddy, this is related to the question asked.


  • We had four Jetters including a General Jet Set 3055. We looked at the General and Spartan trailer mount set ups but I felt it was too close to what we already had and the Harben or O'Brien trailer mount would be our next jetter.

    Mark
    Mark,

    My next jetter will be the U.S jetting 4018 with the foot remote. It has a run-dry pump also. My atlanta jetting buddy has 2 of them and a water truck cause thats all he does. i was about to buy one, they even drove one out to my house and i was about to buy it for $22,000 cash(it was worth $30,000 at the time) but that was last year sometime. My friend said that the one i have now is all that i will need starting out, but the U.S.Jetter will be my next jetter(probally in two years)..the General Typhoon jetter was $15,600...but with all of the extra stuff i got with it it was just under $20,000...paid cash for it and im very happy with it!!!...its very mobile and you can pull it with your hand if you get into tight areas and all....now if you are doing drains in your area that have pipe sizes 8" and bigger then this may not be the jetter for you....most of the drain pipes that i jet are 4"-6"restaurants,apts,commercial bulidings,small warehouses......no municipalities.


  • The US Jetting 4018 is a really nice machine as well. The reason we decided against the Spartan or the General trailer mount jetter is we saw them as wanna-be trailer mounted jetters. The performance difference between either of those and the portables did not justify the costs unless you needed a supply of water. Most of our jetting was 4" and smaller though. I have since sold my business and no longer need a jetter. As a matter of fact I have a never used KJ-3000 I am trying to figure out how to have Robert come pick up.

    For the record I believe the problem most have with Sylvan has more to do with his attitude than his message. Most of us have made a pretty good living for ourselves and our employees before we even heard of Sylvan and his $1,000 per hour rate.

    Mark


    Lol Mark,

    He loves it..just googled it...he really wants the k 60 very bad..me too...safety issues:) Are you selling k 60? maybe we should ask rick.i'm guessing he gets one each month:)


  • I'm not sure if you misread my post or what. I was simpling pointing out you used Lane as an example of a high volume low cost contractor where you want to be a high cost low volume contractor so you still have time for yourself. Did I miss something or mis-quote your explanation?

    Mark
    sorry Mark i thought you were on the same little bus as Rick but i apologize. i am sort of a low-cost high volume guy ..RESIDENTIALLY..but im not going that route COMERCIALLY....the going rate for unstopping a residential drain in Dallas is $125-135....i charge $75-$85...these prices is if the homeowner has a clean-out....its an additional $50 to go from the roof stack or $75 additional to pull a commode...now if an apartment complex calls me or a restaurant its between $350-$500 to hydrojet the sewerline...depending on the time of the call. i made $1000 Sat evening from 2 Hydrojetting jobs done after 5p.m. last Sat(2 different plumbers subbed me out)..they charged the commercial customer like $750 and the other charged them $978...i got $500 a piece because it was over hours..funny thing about it is that the guy set up a maintence contract for me to go there every 2 months and jet 2 cleanouts at these apartments and hes chargin them $1,000 every two months.....another company was doing it every 3 months at $550 a time and he took there business......why they chiose him over the cheaper company?...i dont know......i guess they like him.


  • Info on the K-60 the little machine with guts. http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/K60-Drain-Machine/EN/index.htm


  • ,made in the millions!!!..i even got advice from him!!!!...Yall will be reading about me soon!!!......take care.


    Tony


    Make sure you are in Daily Breeze since that is the only newspapers i go through...they have coupons..that's why...forgot you are in texas...how would i read about you then? Hold on i see it...

    Anderson cooper live: tony- the jetter superman-service you can pay alot:D;)

    Take care Tony


  • "PLAYA-HATER"....:confused:

    To keep it civil,I'll just say I'm standing by watching,......for now:cool:


  • it follows the pipe until you hit a 45. then it makes a long turn 45. it breaks out the original fitting and takes a short cut. it's a very smooth transition that if you didn't know where it was located, you wouldn't see it with a camera.

    rick.

    cool, thats even better than when pipe was new. plus no joints for root intrusion.


  • I do not LIKE horn blowers.PERIOD

    I respect honest people who give an honest days work.

    Sylvan I could Care less,I don't need any advice on "POWERTALKIN"

    Just overpower them with your lips.

    No thanks.


  • hes a REAL CALIFORNIA contractor....unlike Rick who plays with fake snakes..lol..

    anytime you think you can outsmart me, we'll put your big money on it. sort of like pink slips. i guarantee you taking on this bet, i'll bankrupt you.

    as far as fake snakes. you might want to find another board as ridgid makes the snakes i use.

    as far as pipe bursting. i was one of the first plumbers to purchase a trenchless machine. infact the serial # is one of the first 20.

    5 years makes you an apprentice in my eyes and the unions eyes.

    maybe you'll open your eyes 1 day and see there's more to plumbing than seeing how much you can charge a desperate homeowner.

    rick.







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