10 Mar

Real Estate values in Ayer's Cliff, Quebec

Posted by smith under enart.hubeidaxue.com

  • How much does land cost in Ayer's Cliff, Eastern Townships, Quebec, in the area around Lake Massawippi a) with frontage on the lake b) with access to the lake or c) with no access and no frontage?


  • Dear Hummer, Thank you for your prompt and forthright response to my challenging question. I am aware of a number of local property evaluators, as well as of the Government online registry system where I can research specific lots. If you know of any other sites that could assist me, I would be interested in receiving these links. I would also be interested in receiving any information from newspaper articles or other reports that discuss land values in the area, whether in English or in French. Can you suggest any other way to narrow the field and get me closer to the answers I need concerning land values?


  • Hi Hummer, Thank you so much for your report, which is certainly well done and quite impressive. It does indeed contain relevant information concerning where to go to get my answers, if not the answers themselves. That I already am aware of these resources does not alter the fact that I am impressed with the quality and presentation of your research. And hoping that you would turn up some great report or other information that could address my question more directly was a tall order and a longshot at best. Accordingly, please do feel free to post this as an answer and collect your payment - you did earn it. And I will knuckle down and do the necessary footwork to find the answers I seek...Meanwhile, I am encouraged to post another question, much narrower and more specific in scope...


  • Dear deborahx, Thank you for your kind words and for giving me the opportunity to post this as an answer, I appreciate it. I'm sorry it's not exactly what you had hoped for, but it is a good jumping off place for your next phase. We will have another look for that elusive study (McGill perhaps?) and post it if we have any luck. Sincerely, hummer >>>>>>>>>> Ayers Cliff is part of the Memphremagog MRC (MRC = municipalit r gionale de comt / municipal regional council). Among other things, the MRCs manage the property evaluations that the municipalities use for their tax rolls. MRC de Memphr magog: 455, rue MacDonald Magog (Qu bec) J1X 1M2 T l phone : 819-843-9292 http://www.mrcmemphremagog.com/index.html "Liste des municipalit s": Ayer's Cliff: T l phone : (819) 838-5006 Hatley: T l phone : (819) 838-5877 Ste-Catherine-de-Hatley: T l phone : (819) 843-1935 http://www.mrcmemphremagog.com/munic.html >>>>>>>>>> A map of the Memphremagog MRC showing municipal jurisdictions: (it's a 'javascript viewer' .pdf - suggestion: once you orient yourself, view the map at 200% or more and use the "hand tool"): http://www.mrcmemphremagog.com/cartes.html Note that most of the western side of Lake Massawippi is in the municipality of Sainte-Catherine-de-Hatley, much of the eastern shore in Hatley, and that Ayers Cliff is a much smaller part of the waterfront. I do not have a URL for a map of Ayer's Cliff sufficient to identify land use zones or town building lots. The Town Office replied by phone that the Town Building Inspector has such a map but was not in the office today - you can make an appointment with him by phone (819 838 5006). Identifying specific lot numbers as examples of the various types of properties you ask about (let's say three of each?) will be necessary (and should be sufficient) for research of the historical deeds records (see: "Registre foncier du Qu bec"). >>>>>>>>>> Bulletin d?Orford Hiver 2004 - "Le nouveau r le d? valuation" "...MRC situ e au 455, rue McDonald Magog." "...l? valuateur, monsieur Jean-Pierre Cadrin, au (819) 843-3635." http://www.canton.orford.qc.ca/documents/Hiver2004.pdf >>>>>>>>>> Municipal evaluations are performed by the MRC. Evaluators most likely use formulas into which they enter information for each specific property (land value variables such as you are interested in). If they do that for real properties, could they do the same for theoretical properties you might present to them? ...or offer anonymous real property examples corresponding to your paramaters? Here is the directory of the Quebec Order of Certified Evaluators and three from the Memphremagog MRC (one of them the MRC's municipal evaluator): Ordre des valuateurs agr s du Qu bec (OEAQ): http://www.oeaq.qc.ca/accueil.htm Liste de membres: http://www.oeaq.qc.ca/main_liste_ea_prive.htm R pertoire des membres: ...Ville > Magog: http://www.oeaq.qc.ca/frame_set.htm *** Liens utiles *** Links: RECHERCHES DE TRANSACTIONS Pour obtenir de l'information d taill e sur les transactions immobili res RECHERCHES DE DONN ES Informations diverses sur les immeubles vendre MANUELS DE CO T Co t de remplacement http://www.oeaq.qc.ca/48_liens.htm >>>>>>>>>> In Quebec, the 'notaire' is the legal agent for the registration and transfer of 'immobilier'. The following website offers a history and explanation of the notarial system in Quebec: Notaries in Quebec: "In Quebec, the notary acts in all areas of the law except litigation. The conveyancing of immovable property ("real estate" in common law) constitutes the major sector of activity at 55%." http://www.nacln.org/FILES-HTML/Quebec%20Notary%20information.htm Notaries are very versed in the research of title at the deeds offices (and now on-line in the Quebec Db), i.e., they are intimate with the records of property sale values historic and current in their regions (similar to an auctioneer's familiarity with auction sales records in theirs). I don't know that any will share such information, only that it may be worth asking: Quebec Chamber of Notaries: Chambre des notaires du Qu bec (CDNQ) (514) 879-1793 ou 1-800-668-2473 You can type in the Magog and Ayer's Cliff postal codes to return a list of notaries listed in the CDNQ directory. http://www.cdnq.org/indexcdnq.asp >>>>>>>>>> The deeds registry office is where the notary verifies the legal state of the property of the sale, identifies its ownership, and registers the transfer. The records held at the registry offices are available to the public, for fee, either in person or on-line. Records are retrieved by the specific lot number(s). Registre foncier du Qu bec: http://www.mrn.gouv.qc.ca/foncier/registre/ "Depuis le milieu du XIXe si cle, l? tat consigne toutes les transactions immobili res r alis es sur le territoire qu b cois dans les diff rents registres qui composent le Registre foncier du Qu bec. Selon le syst me de la publicit fonci re, toute transaction immobili re devient publique par son inscription dans le Registre foncier du Qu bec. Ainsi, comme il s'agit d'un registre public, tout citoyen peut y avoir acc s et retracer l?historique des transactions faites sur un lot depuis sa cr ation. Une grande partie de l?information fonci re offerte pr sentement dans les bureaux de la publicit des droits est disponible dans le site du 'Registre foncier du Qu bec en ligne'": http://www.registrefoncier.gouv.qc.ca/Sirf/ ...from the directory menu of registry offices: (the Ayers Cliff records are held at the Stanstead office; the Sherbrooke office is a regional centre that may be able to offer additional information or other resources; Coaticook is near Ayers Cliff but in a different MRC) Bureau de la publicit des droits - - de Stanstead 674, rue Dufferin Stanstead (Qu bec) J0B 3E0 T l phone : (819) 876-2744 - de Sherbrooke 3425, rue King Ouest, bureau 120 Sherbrooke (Qu bec) J1L 1P8 T l phone : (819) 820-3287 - de Coaticook 150, rue Child, bureau 4 Coaticook (Qu bec) J1A 2B3 T l phone : (819) 849-6357 >>>>>>>>>> ?InfoLot: Le cadastre en ligne! Pour visualiser sur le plan du cadastre du Qu bec les territoires o la r forme du cadastre est compl t e. [db closed for the night] http://infolot.mrnfp.gouv.qc.ca/Maj.htm


  • Hi deborahx, It would be helpful for researchers to know more about the type of property you are enquiring about. For example, just the land with no buildings? Agriculture Green Zone or White Zone? How much land - acreage or just a lot? Wooded? Utilities in place? Historical values realized or current asking prices? From the point of view of the buyer or the seller? Thank you, hummer


  • Hi again deborahx, Ok, we went back for another look at Infolot, which was closed when we first visited the website. It may be helpful for you, especially for identifying lots to take to an evaluator and/or building inspector. Looks like there is alot available on the website, but there is a fee so we haven't been able to explore too deeply. Infolot: -> *click on question mark at top of page*: "Deux services sont pr sentement offerts. Le premier permet de consulter les donn es cadastrales officielles jour, que ce soit les attributs descriptifs d'un lot ou son image (abonnement requis). Le deuxi me service permet de visualiser l' tendue du territoire r nov en vertu du Programme de r forme du cadastre qu b cois." http://infolot.mrnfp.gouv.qc.ca/ We also checked the Theses Canada Portal with the keywords: "ayers" + "cliff" = 0 "land" + "values" = 7 (but generic or other locations) But perhaps you could come up with something... Theses Canada Portal: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/thesescanada/index-e.html Regards, hummer


  • Dear deborahx, Thank you for your clarification. After three to four hours of preliminary research regarding property values in Ayer's Cliff, we can say that researching with such a broad scope of parameters would take days (more likely weeks). Someone with an intimate knowledge and awareness in the historical and current evaluation of property in Ayer's Cliff is needed - it may be in a study of marketing trends somewhere, but we've not been able to find it online. Also, are you bilingual? A working knowledge of French is needed to access many websites. I'm afraid the price you offered ($37.50 after Google takes its 25%) won't be enough to cover the amount of work required to research your question. Rather than raise the price of the question, it would be better to pay someone with specific knowledge of sources and/or experience of the local market. So, we wondered how we could approach this and we think that we can offer you a good alternative (a reasonable redirection but we can't guarantee success). If you'd like, we could give you a comprehensive list of contacts, including evaluators, access to a fee-based system where you can look up specific lots, etc. Would you be interested in something like that? If so, let me know and we'll try to have it done by the end of the day. Given our answer would not be in direct response to your original question, you could re-evaluate and adjust your price if you wish. Regards, hummer & co.


  • Hi deborahx, As an introduction to the research results that follow, please keep in mind that a researcher has no way of knowing what a questioner already knows or does not know - they rely on the questioner to supply relevant information. As stated in a previous clarification, specific answers to your comprehensive questions were not found (answers may be somewhere, but not here). Please note that this alternate line of research is not posted as an answer. It now seems that you are already aware of some (or all) of the findings. I would not have pursued such a line had I known earlier, but there is nothing to be gained by not posting it now regardless -- the work is already done and perhaps something in it will help, perhaps not. If it does, please inform me and I will post it as an answer. Regards, hummer >>>>>>>>>> Ayers Cliff is part of the Memphremagog MRC (MRC = municipalit r gionale de comt / municipal regional council). Among other things, the MRCs manage the property evaluations that the municipalities use for their tax rolls. MRC de Memphr magog: 455, rue MacDonald Magog (Qu bec) J1X 1M2 T l phone : 819-843-9292 http://www.mrcmemphremagog.com/index.html "Liste des municipalit s": Ayer's Cliff: T l phone : (819) 838-5006 Hatley: T l phone : (819) 838-5877 Ste-Catherine-de-Hatley: T l phone : (819) 843-1935 http://www.mrcmemphremagog.com/munic.html >>>>>>>>>> A map of the Memphremagog MRC showing municipal jurisdictions: (it's a 'javascript viewer' .pdf - suggestion: once you orient yourself, view the map at 200% or more and use the "hand tool"): http://www.mrcmemphremagog.com/cartes.html Note that most of the western side of Lake Massawippi is in the municipality of Sainte-Catherine-de-Hatley, much of the eastern shore in Hatley, and that Ayers Cliff is a much smaller part of the waterfront. I do not have a URL for a map of Ayer's Cliff sufficient to identify land use zones or town building lots. The Town Office replied by phone that the Town Building Inspector has such a map but was not in the office today - you can make an appointment with him by phone (819 838 5006). Identifying specific lot numbers as examples of the various types of properties you ask about (let's say three of each?) will be necessary (and should be sufficient) for research of the historical deeds records (see: "Registre foncier du Qu bec"). >>>>>>>>>> Bulletin d?Orford Hiver 2004 - "Le nouveau r le d? valuation" "...MRC situ e au 455, rue McDonald Magog." "...l? valuateur, monsieur Jean-Pierre Cadrin, au (819) 843-3635." http://www.canton.orford.qc.ca/documents/Hiver2004.pdf >>>>>>>>>> Municipal evaluations are performed by the MRC. Evaluators most likely use formulas into which they enter information for each specific property (land value variables such as you are interested in). If they do that for real properties, could they do the same for theoretical properties you might present to them? ...or offer anonymous real property examples corresponding to your paramaters? Here is the directory of the Quebec Order of Certified Evaluators and three from the Memphremagog MRC (one of them the MRC's municipal evaluator): Ordre des valuateurs agr s du Qu bec (OEAQ): http://www.oeaq.qc.ca/accueil.htm Liste de membres: http://www.oeaq.qc.ca/main_liste_ea_prive.htm R pertoire des membres: ...Ville > Magog: http://www.oeaq.qc.ca/frame_set.htm *** Liens utiles *** Links: RECHERCHES DE TRANSACTIONS Pour obtenir de l'information d taill e sur les transactions immobili res RECHERCHES DE DONN ES Informations diverses sur les immeubles vendre MANUELS DE CO T Co t de remplacement http://www.oeaq.qc.ca/48_liens.htm >>>>>>>>>> In Quebec, the 'notaire' is the legal agent for the registration and transfer of 'immobilier'. The following website offers a history and explanation of the notarial system in Quebec: Notaries in Quebec: "In Quebec, the notary acts in all areas of the law except litigation. The conveyancing of immovable property ("real estate" in common law) constitutes the major sector of activity at 55%." http://www.nacln.org/FILES-HTML/Quebec%20Notary%20information.htm Notaries are very versed in the research of title at the deeds offices (and now on-line in the Quebec Db), i.e., they are intimate with the records of property sale values historic and current in their regions (similar to an auctioneer's familiarity with auction sales records in theirs). I don't know that any will share such information, only that it may be worth asking: Quebec Chamber of Notaries: Chambre des notaires du Qu bec (CDNQ) (514) 879-1793 ou 1-800-668-2473 You can type in the Magog and Ayer's Cliff postal codes to return a list of notaries listed in the CDNQ directory. http://www.cdnq.org/indexcdnq.asp >>>>>>>>>> The deeds registry office is where the notary verifies the legal state of the property of the sale, identifies its ownership, and registers the transfer. The records held at the registry offices are available to the public, for fee, either in person or on-line. Records are retrieved by the specific lot number(s). Registre foncier du Qu bec: http://www.mrn.gouv.qc.ca/foncier/registre/ "Depuis le milieu du XIXe si cle, l? tat consigne toutes les transactions immobili res r alis es sur le territoire qu b cois dans les diff rents registres qui composent le Registre foncier du Qu bec. Selon le syst me de la publicit fonci re, toute transaction immobili re devient publique par son inscription dans le Registre foncier du Qu bec. Ainsi, comme il s'agit d'un registre public, tout citoyen peut y avoir acc s et retracer l?historique des transactions faites sur un lot depuis sa cr ation. Une grande partie de l?information fonci re offerte pr sentement dans les bureaux de la publicit des droits est disponible dans le site du 'Registre foncier du Qu bec en ligne'": http://www.registrefoncier.gouv.qc.ca/Sirf/ ...from the directory menu of registry offices: (the Ayers Cliff records are held at the Stanstead office; the Sherbrooke office is a regional centre that may be able to offer additional information or other resources; Coaticook is near Ayers Cliff but in a different MRC) Bureau de la publicit des droits - - de Stanstead 674, rue Dufferin Stanstead (Qu bec) J0B 3E0 T l phone : (819) 876-2744 - de Sherbrooke 3425, rue King Ouest, bureau 120 Sherbrooke (Qu bec) J1L 1P8 T l phone : (819) 820-3287 - de Coaticook 150, rue Child, bureau 4 Coaticook (Qu bec) J1A 2B3 T l phone : (819) 849-6357 >>>>>>>>>> ?InfoLot: Le cadastre en ligne! Pour visualiser sur le plan du cadastre du Qu bec les territoires o la r forme du cadastre est compl t e. [db closed for the night] http://infolot.mrnfp.gouv.qc.ca/Maj.htm


  • I guess I am hoping for a fairly comprhensive report and would probably be willing to up the price if I could get it - but this is my first time trying Google Answers and I am not sure what quality of report to expect. Your questions are excellent ones that tell me you are probably able to find what I want to know... I am interested in white zone only, but I am interested both as a buyer and as a seller. I am also interested in lots with services, lots without services, and raw acreage, wooded, in increments of 1 or 2 acres and for property in excess of 30 acres. I am interested in historical values and current asking prices. As to buildings, I would be interested in knowing about recent sales and the type of property involved. I guess I would like to know as much as possible about land (and building) values in the area. For easy presentation and comparison, land values could be expressed in price per square foot for each of the various combinations and permutations. I would like to have a guide to figure out what is the added value for a) roads b) sewer, c) utilities, etc.. For land with building, I guess I would want to know size and land value of the lot, and the type of building. I would be intersted in knowing historical values and current asking prices.







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